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Revisiting the .38 S&W in a Classic Colt “Cop Gun”

C.E. “Ed” Harris, Gerrardstown, West Virginia 

Ric Bowman’s experiments in Fouling Shot (FS236-9) with his British Purchasing Commission S&W 1941 .38 Hand Ejector motivated me to experiment with a classic Colt revolver of the same period.  While well known for being chambered in small, break-open pocket revolvers, the .38 S&W reached its Zenith in the 1920s when Colt chambered its six-shot Police Positive and Banker’s Special revolvers for the .38 Colt New Police.  The Colt cartridge differs from the S&W version in having a flat-, versus a round-nosed bullet. 

The I-frame S&W Regulation Police of the post WW1-era was a compact 5-shot, built on the .32 Hand Ejector frame, whereas the Colt Police Positive was dimensioned expressly for the .38 Colt New Police cartridge and featured “six for sure.”  The original Police Positive Colt with 4” barrel weighed 20 ozs., empty, 23 ozs. when loaded with the more common 146-grain lead round-nosed ammunition, and 23-1/2 ozs. loaded with the later 200-grain Super Police.   The Police Positive Special had a longer frame, frame window and cylinder, and held six rounds of .38 Special or .32-20 ammunition.    

 

Of the .38 S&W and Colt New Police, Hatcher wrote in his Textbook of Pistols and Revolvers (1935):

        “ their popularity is deserved, for they are accurate, well designed cartridges, which have much greater stopping power than the .32 caliber…. The standard load for the .38 S&W is a 146-grain bullet with 2.3 grains of Bullseye… giving… about 730 fps with … about 170 foot-pounds….penetrating five 7/8” pine boards….The flat-pointed Colt New Police bullet is superior to the round-nosed S&W in stopping power and should always be used in preference to it.”  

 

Elmer Keith wrote in Sixguns, (1955) that the .38 S&W was “very accurate but… not powerful enough for a certain man-stopper…must be placed fairly well...a pip squeak…accuracy was … its only virtue..."

The .38 S&W “Super Police,” introduced by Western Cartridge Company in 1929, featured a 200-grain, blunt, hemispherical-nosed, soft lead bullet and 2.5 grains of Hercules Infallible (similar to Unique) producing  610 fps and 166 ft.-lbs., penetrating four 7/8” pine boards.  The Super Police round is approximated by Lyman’s #358430 when loaded with 2.5 grains of Alliant’s Unique.  For those more historically inclined, NOE offers molds producing a modern clone of the British Mk1 service bullet.

After WW1 the British sought a lighter revolver than the .455 Webley MkVI.  In 1932 they adopted the .380/200 Revolver Mk1 cartridge and Webley MkIV revolver, which produced 625 fps +/– 25 fps  from a 5-inch barrel at 13,000 psi, max.   British Army thinking at the time was that a slow, heavy .38 bullet would give up little in close range stopping power to the .455 and would be easier for troops with minimal training to learn to shoot accurately.  In 1937 the lead-bullet Mk1 cartridge was replaced by the 178-grain FMJ MkII, to comply with the 1899 Hague Declaration.  

 

Remaining Mk1 cartridges were used for marksmanship training and law enforcement purposes.   The Mk2z remains in production where it still serves with police organizations in India and Hong Kong.

WW2 combat use proved the FMJ Mk.2  bullet’s lethality was less than stellar. Combat users preferred the 9mm GP Browning, M1911 pistol or older .455 revolvers if they could get them.   While the elongated, 178-grain FMJ Mk2 bullet reliably tumbled in soft targets, its kinetic energy was only about 154 ft. lbs.  The increased bore drag of its FMJ bullet severely limited velocity potential, within its modest pressure limitations, enforced by the many top-break revolvers still remained in use.

My experience in testing “India model” Ruger Service Six revolvers in the 1980s proved that using tighter barrels, cylinder throats and controlling cylinder gap gave a useful velocity increase with .38 S&W factory ammunition, compared to typical British service revolvers having a cylinder gap of 0.008” or larger, .360” cylinder throats and .358-.359 groove diameter.  My Colt Police Positive was made in 1930 and is the exact model brandished by James Cagney in the 1931 Warner Brother’s gangster flick “The Public Enemy.”  It has a 0.005” cylinder gap, .359” cylinder throats and a typical tight Colt barrel of .344” bore diameter and .354” groove diameter.  These dimensions are very close to those of French Model 9mm Service Six Rugers, which were rechambered to .380/200 to produce the earliest guns of the India order!  So, I simply HAD to test my Colt see what it delivered for velocity, compared to Rick’s S&W Lend-Lease gun.

Current ammunition catalogs of the US makers cite 685 fps for the .38 S&W 146-grain LRN at 150 ft.-lbs.   Previous tests in which I fired .38 S&W factory loads in my Ruger Service Six, 1960s-era Western 146-grain Lubaloy .38 S&W loads gave 727 fps with an extreme spread of only 12 fps and a standard deviation of 5 fps over a 10-shot string.  Recent production Winchester 146-grain un-plated LRN with W-W head stamp produced velocities gave close to the catalog number, 662 fps with an extreme spread of 75 fps and a standard deviation of 29 fps.  Not having any of the Winchester ammo left to try in the Colt, I found recent production Fiocchi 146 LRN on GunBroker. This ammo gave impressive results in my Ruger, producing 809 fps, with a standard deviation of 21 fps, very little different than is expected firing standard pressure 158-grain lead round-nosed .38 Special in a revolver of similar barrel length!

 

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Accurate 36-155D Loads

In working up loads for my Colt I had best results with the Accurate 36-155D, which shoots to the sights and approximates the 790 fps velocity of Fiocchi factory ammo from the Colt with 2.7 grains of Bullseye, using its 146-grain hollow-pointed version.  My practice load uses the same bullet in its original solid version, with 2.5 grains of Bullseye giving 720 fps.  The 36-155D is based on the profile of the 31-114D .32 revolver bullet, simply increasing diameters for the .38 Special. 

 

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Accurate 36-155D-Hollow Point

 

 Erik Ohlen converted two cavities of my mold to drop hollow-points weighing 146 grains in 1:40 tin/lead alloy, which expand in water jugs at about 800 fps from my 2-inch Colt Detective Special in .38 Special.  My reasoning is that the 4” .38 Colt New Police should approximate 2-inch, .38 Special snubby ballistics, and I have proven that it does, but it is more accurate, easier to shoot well and 3 ozs. lighter, a sturdy 20-oz. classic Colt cop gun from 1930.

 

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I had Tom at Accurate cut molds for heavier bullets of correct diameter for the .380/200 British, which should shoot to point of aim in Webley or S&W revolvers sights for Mk.1 or Mk2z ammunition.   These  shoot somewhat high at 7 yards and 6-8” high at 26 yards from my Colt, but I worked up loads, so that Ric Bowman and others to whom I sent samples, would have starting data for their British revolvers.  

 

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Accurate 36-178D is the same profile as 31-134D, with its diameters increased to suit the .38 S&W cartridge. My intent was that its 178-grain weight should shoot to the sights of revolvers sighted for the British .380 Mk2 service round, but that its blunt flat-nosed shape and more parallel-sided nose would encourage straight-through penetration with good crush characteristics.

Accurate’s 36-201D is a heavy .38 S&W or Special ogival wadcutter having a simply huge 0.3” meplat, as large as the one on my favorite 43-230G bullet I use in my .44s!  Its long, slightly tapered nose permits the bullet to be seated well out, to fit the cylinder length of the .38 S&W, maximizing powder capacity, yet still entering tight cylinder throats.   Its .362 front band is sized and tapered to .359 by my RCBS seater die.  It should offer outstanding penetration and crush characteristics, even at low velocities.   

 

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Acuurate 37-125T

An afterthought was to try a lighter bullet with similar blunt shape and large meplatAccurate’s 37-125T is based upon its well proven 31-087T bullet for the .32 ACP, simply increasing its diameters to fit the 9x18mm Makarov PM pistol, then adding a slight 0.030 bevel base.  I ordered my mold to drop .360+ for the .38 S&W instead of the usual .365 diameter needed for the Polish P64s, etc. 

Benchmarking Fiocchi factory loads in my Colt, a 146-grain bullet needs 785 fps for 200 ft.-lbs.  Using this parameter, and having established that it is safely attainable, I calculated the velocity needed with the various Accurate bullets to reach 200 ft.-lbs. The intent of my testing would be to determine charges required with suitable powders to “get there,” and to determine where they hit in relation to the Colt’s fixed sights.  I expected the fixed sights on the commercial Colt would be correct for 146-grain bullets at velocities approximating factory ammunition and they were.  The heavier bullets were tested in the Colt only to develop safe charges as starting data for Ric Bowman and others testing the British guns.

My target velocity for the Accurate 37-125T for 200-ft.-lbs. was 850 fps. This was obtained in the Ruger with 2.7 grains of Bullseye, and gave 803 fps. in the Colt.  Accuracy was OK, but not as good as 36-155D. While a slight increase in charge to 3 grains is probably safe in a sturdy gun. I stopped there because the 146-grain HP version of 36-155D is most accurate and its solid version is adequate for practice with lighter charges.  The 125T is included for academic curiosity and for the benefit of those interested.

My target velocity range to match Fiocchi 146-grain ammunition, with the 146-grain 36-155D-HP is 785-800 fps, and this was met precisely with 2.7 grains of Bullseye, it shoots to the sights and is my most accurate load.  The same charge with the solid 36-155D gave 789 fps in the Colt, and also breaks the 200-ft.-lbs. threshold, but for practice I am reducing the charge to 2.5 grains, which agrees better with published loading data and gave 720 fps with a velocity standard deviation of only 6 fps over 12 rounds!

The target velocity with Accurate 36-178D to reach 200-ft.-lbs. is 712 fps.  This was approached closely with either 2.5 grains of Bullseye or 5.6 grains of Alliant #2400, giving 705 fps in the Colt and 748 in the Ruger.  Because they shot high in my Colt I did not experiment further, leaving that task to Ric Bowman and Joe Gifford to give them a try in their British revolvers which prefer heavier bullets.

The target velocity with Accurate 36-201D to reach 200 ft.-lbs. is 670 fps. This was met handily using 5.6 grains of Alliant #2400, giving 710 fps in the Colt with a velocity standard deviation of only 11 fps, and 769 fps in the Ruger.  The heavy bullet aids ignition and provides uniform velocities with a clean burn using Federal 200 small pistol magnum primers.  Ejection was easy and the load is safe in my Colt, but it must not be exceeded or used in top-break guns.  Recoil was sharp and raised a blister on my thumb firing the revolver with its tiny service stocks.  A Tyler T-Grip to fit the old Colt frame is on order!  I think that Col. Rex Applegate would have liked that load.  Gee, I wonder how it would do with a cavernous hollowpoint, reducing its weight to about 185 grains, when cast in 1:40 alloy?  Stay tuned!

 

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